As US and China begin trade talks in Geneva, Trump's tariff hammer looks less mighty than he claims

WASHINGTON — The way President Donald Trump sees it, beating China in a trade war should be easy.

After all, his logic goes, the Chinese sell Americans three times as much stuff as Americans sell them. Therefore, they have more to lose. Inflict enough pain – like the combined 145% taxes he slapped on Chinese imports last month – and they'll beg for mercy.

Trump's treasury secretary, Scott Bessent has confidently compared Beijing to a card player stuck with a losing hand. ''They're playing with a pair of twos,'' he said.

Somebody forgot to tell China. So far, the Chinese have refused to fold under the pressure of Trump's massive tariffs. Instead, they have retaliated with triple-digit tariffs of their own.

''All bullies are just paper tigers,'' the Chinese Foreign Ministry declared in a video last week. ''Kneeling only invites more bullying.''

The stakes are high between the world's two biggest economies whose trade topped $660 billion last year. Bessent and Trump's top trade negotiator, Jamieson Greer, are heading to Geneva this weekend for initial trade talks with top Chinese officials. Trump suggested Friday that the U.S. could lower its tariffs on China, saying in a Truth Social post that ''80% Tariff seems right! Up to Scott.″

While businesses and investors welcome any easing of tensions, the prospects for a quick and significant breakthrough appear dim.

''These are talks about talks, and China may be coming to assess what's on the table -- or even just to buy time,'' said Craig Singleton, senior China fellow at the Washington-based think tank Foundation for Defense of Democracies. ''There's no shared roadmap or clear pathway to de-escalation.''

But if the two countries eventually agree to scale back the massive taxes – tariffs – they've slapped on each other's goods, it would relieve world financial markets and companies on both sides of the Pacific Ocean that depend on U.S.-China trade.

''The companies involved in this trade on both sides just cannot afford waiting anymore,'' said economist John Gong of the University of International Business and Economics in Beijing. In a worst-case scenario, China could walk away from the negotiations if it feels the U.S. side isn't treating China as an equal or isn't willing to take the first step to deescalate, Gong said.

''I think if (Bessent) doesn't go into this negotiation with this kind of mindset, this could be very difficult,'' he said.

For now, the two countries can't even agree on who requested the talks. ''The meeting is being held at the request of the U.S. side,'' Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lin Jian said Wednesday. Trump disagreed. ''They ought to go back and study their files,'' he said.

Trump's faith in tariffs meet economic reality

What seems clear is that Trump's favorite economic weapon – import taxes, or tariffs – has not proved as mighty as he'd hoped.

''For Trump, what's happened here is that the rhetoric of his campaign has finally had to face economic reality,'' said Jeff Moon, a trade official in the Obama administration who now runs the China Moon Strategies consultancy. ''The idea that he was going to bring China to its knees in terms of tariffs was never going to work.''

Trump views tariffs an all-purpose economic tool that can raise money for the U.S. Treasury, protect American industries, lure factories to the United States and pressure other countries to bend to his will, even on issues such as immigration and drug trafficking.

He used tariffs in his first term and has been even more aggressive and unpredictable about imposing them in his second. He's slapped a 10% tariff on almost every country in the world, blowing up the rules that had governed global trade for decades.

But it's his trade war with China that has really put markets and businesses on edge. It started in February when he announced a 10% levy on Chinese imports. By April, Trump ratcheted up the taxes on China to a staggering 145%. Beijing upped its tariff on American products to 125%.

Trump's escalation sent financial markets tumbling and left U.S. retailers warning that they might run out of goods as U.S.-China trade implodes. U.S. consumers, worried about the prospect of empty shelves and higher prices, are losing confidence in the economy.

''This was not very well planned,'' said Zongyuan Zoe Liu, senior fellow in China studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. ''I don't think he intended to have the tariffs escalate into this chaos.''

China was ready for a rematch

When Trump hit Chinese imports with tariffs during his first term, he charged that Beijing used unfair tactics, including cybertheft, to give its technology firms an edge.

The two countries reached a truce – the so-called Phase One agreement -- in January 2020; China agreed to buy more U.S. products, and Trump held off on even higher tariffs. But they didn't resolve the big issues dividing them, including China's subsidies of homegrown tech firms.

China was ready for a rematch when Trump returned to the White House. It had worked to reduce its dependence on America's massive market, cutting the U.S. share of its exports to 15% last year from more than 19% in 2018, according to Dexter Roberts of the Atlantic Council.

Beijing is confident that the Chinese people are more willing than Americans to endure the fallout from a trade war, including falling exports and shuttered factories. ''For China, it's painful, but it's also imperative to withstand it, and it's prepared to cope with it,'' said Sun Yun, director of the China program at the Stimson Center.

Dependency works both ways

In addition to miscalculating Chinese resolve, the Trump administration may have underestimated how much America relies on China.

For decades, Americans have come to depend on Chinese factories. They produce 97% of America's imported baby carriages, 96% of its artificial flowers and umbrellas, 95% of its fireworks, 93% of its children's coloring books and 90% of its combs.

''Without us, what do they have to sell?'' Chinese toymaker Cheng Zhengren told Beijing News. ''Their shelves would be empty.''

The showerhead company Afina last month reported on an experiment suggesting that American consumers have little willingness to pay more for American-made products. Afina makes a filtered showerhead in China and Vietnam that retails for $129. Making the same product in America would lift the price to $239. When customers on the company's website were given a choice between them, 584 chose the cheap Asian one; not one opted for the costlier U.S.-made version.

And it's not just consumers who depend on China. America's own factories do, too. The National Association of Manufacturers calculates that 47% of U.S. imports from China in 2023 were ''manufacturing inputs'' – industrial supplies, auto parts and capital equipment that American manufacturers used to make other their own products domestically. So Trump's tariffs risk raising costs and reducing supplies that U.S. factories rely on, making them less competitive.

Louise Loo, China economist at Oxford Economics, a consulting firm, said that China's ability to reduce its dependence on the U.S. market in recent years means ''they're probably likely to be able to find substitutes for buyers, much easier than the U.S. side will be able to find suppliers.''

Still, China won't emerge from a trade war unscathed either. Citing the impact of the trade war, the International Monetary Fund last month downgraded the outlook for the Chinese economy this year and next.

''China needs the United States of America,'' White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said at Friday's news briefing. ''They need our markets. They need our consumer base. And Secretary Bessent knows that he's going to Switzerland this weekend with the full support and confidence and trust of the president here at home.''

Indeed Moon, who also served as a diplomat in China, noted that the tariffs cut both ways: ''Both of them are highly dependent on bilateral trade. They have put themselves in a corner.''

Jens Eskelun, president of the EU Chamber of Commerce in China, expressed relief that U.S. and Chinese officials were meeting.

''So good,'' he said, pointing to the Vatican conclave that just picked a new pope as inspiration. ''Lock them in a room and then hopefully white smoke will come out.''

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AP Staff Writers Christopher Rugaber, Seung Min Kim and Josh Boak in Washington, Ken Moritsugu in Beijing and Simina Mistreanu in Taipei contributed to this story.

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By SEUNG MIN KIM and JOSH BOAK